| Amplifying Resonator? [2] |
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From: Tom Loredo <loredo@spacenet...>
Subject: Re: Amplifying Resonator?
Date: Thu, 12 Nov 1998 14:34:47 -0500
Organization: Cornell University
Howdy-
You might want to visit the AG site:
http://www.museweb.com/ag/In the "Technology:Amplification" section there's a link to a
site providing resonator amplification tips, and I've also put
there a collection of previous news postings with recommendations.
Frank's post not withstanding, I've found in performing as
a duo or trio with a friend with a resonator that he absolutely
does need significant amplification, even playing in a coffeehouse.
Perhaps the difference is that he plays it on his lap; maybe
Frank's experience is with someone playing standing, normal
guitar style. Having also heard my friend Josh playing the
resonator with the Burns sisters (3 voices, a guitar, and his
resonator), in that setting, too, he needed lots of amplification
to be heard.
He didn't have a pickup, but an acceptable solution for small
venues was using the spare Donnell #138 soundhole mic I have.
You can mount it on the outside of a guitar, and that's
what we did, bending the gooseneck to hold the mic element above
the biscuit. Worked great for coffeehouse gigs. When he did
a larger hall with the Burns Sisters, he would have problems
with feedback with the Donell, though. He would have to supplement
it by using a standard instrument mic (or using the standard mic
signal entirely). For some reason, the Donnell seemed more prone
to feedback in these situations than a standard mic on a boom.
Peace,
Tom Loredo
From: John Griffin <jgriffin@spectranet...>
Subject: Re: Amplifying Resonator?
Date: Sat, 14 Nov 1998 01:16:34 GMT
Organization: Still Point
For this type of guitar my suggestion is an el-cheapo Radio Shack lapel
mic clipped to the coverplate (or stuck with sticky putty). You don't
really need anything fancy.
Griff
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| Dobro - microphone or pickup [3] |
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From: <thaxter@erols...>
Subject: Re: Dobro - microphone or pickup
Date: Sun, 27 Jun 1999 22:24:06 -0400
Frank Benn wrote:
>
> I want to use a dobro for live gigs.
> Is it possible to use a piezo-pickup ( not much pressure from the strings,
> as they pass the saddle)?
> Do I have to use a microphone to get the typical dobro sound?
> Is a combination useful?
> Any expirience.............?
The piezos used for dobros are not the saddle type, but the round
contact type. McIntyre pickups are the choice of most players and are
easy to install with a drill bit and a soldering iron. Just enlarge the
endpin hole for the jack, attach the pickup with the ball of adhesive
and solder the wires. Sounds great--Jerry Douglas uses one. Costs
about $80. For biscuit style bridges, you may need a different type of
pickup. Paul Beard at Resophonic Outfitters sells them.
A good mic might capture more of the dobro sound, but the pickup sounds
good to me.
Dick Thaxter
From: Ron Campbell <raca@aisl...>
Subject: Re: Dobro - microphone or pickup
Date: Mon, 28 Jun 1999 06:12:50 GMT
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I can tell you what you _don't_ want: the Dan Lace mounted-on-the-face
pickup that I have on my Dobro! It sounds crappy & the beautiful
resonator sound is totally absent.
I contacted Fishman and Highlander; Fishman makes a biscuit style
pickup, which would be good for a National, but nothing specifically
designed for a Dobro. They suggested a "stick-on" pickup (sounds like
the same as the MacIntyre) which you put right on the cone.
Highlander, on the other hand, makes a split-saddle pickup specifically
designed for Dobro. I've been saving my pennies for that, though the
MacIntyre sounds very tempting at $80 US. (The Highlander is about
$500 Canadian).
There is some very good information from Bob Brozman at
www.nationalguitars.com/tips.html that you might want to check out.
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From: John Williams <jwms@mail...>
Subject: Re: Dobro - microphone or pickup
Date: Mon, 28 Jun 1999 04:20:42 -0700
Organization: WinStar NorthWest Nexus
Frank Benn wrote:
>
> I want to use a dobro for live gigs.
> Is it possible to use a piezo-pickup ( not much pressure from the strings,
> as they pass the saddle)?
> Do I have to use a microphone to get the typical dobro sound?
> Is a combination useful?
> Any expirience.............?
I put a small AKG (I don't represent them) C418 into my Dobro. I
fastened it to one of the longitundinal braces with wire-ties and led
the XLR connector out to the edge of the body. It works real nice and
isn't too prone to feedback. I use it for recording and playing live.
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| What kind of pickup for resonators? [6] |
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From: RLWanderman <rlwanderman@aol...>
Subject: What kind of pickup for resonators?
Date: 19 Jan 2000 07:34:26 GMT
Organization: AOL, http://www.aol.co.uk
What kind of pickup would suit a resonator guitar? I mean, that would pick up
all the "qualities" (gritty tone, etc) of them. A friend of mine actually had
a hole cut in the top and put in a humbucker, like on Gibson electrics. It
sounds all right but I'm wondering if there are better alternatives.
Thanks for the help.
Roland
From: Dick Thaxter <rtha@loc...>
Subject: Re: What kind of pickup for resonators?
Date: 19 Jan 2000 11:58:34 GMT
Organization: Library of Congress
Folks have been known to put electric guitar pickups in resos--the choice is
usually a P-90, Gibson's single coil pickup.
For trying to capture the acoustic dobro sound, though, McIntyre pickups are used by
almost every builder and top player. They are round transducer pickups that
attach (with a glob of adhesive) directly to the spider.
I'd say that First Quality (www.fqms.com) might be your best bet for mail order, if you can't
find one locally. Oh, and at $80, they're a bargain. I've got one in my Seagull
too.
Dick Thaxter
In <<20000119023426.03558.00000224@ng-bk1...>>, <rlwanderman@aol...> (RLWanderman) writes:
>What kind of pickup would suit a resonator guitar? I mean, that would pick up
>all the "qualities" (gritty tone, etc) of them. A friend of mine actually had
>a hole cut in the top and put in a humbucker, like on Gibson electrics. It
>sounds all right but I'm wondering if there are better alternatives.
>
>Thanks for the help.
>
>Roland
From: Hmemerson <hmemerson@aol...>
Subject: Re: What kind of pickup for resonators?
Date: 19 Jan 2000 13:27:25 GMT
Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com
Dick said:>Folks have been known to put electric guitar pickups in resos--the
choice is usually a P-90, Gibson's single coil pickup.
>For trying to capture the acoustic dobro sound, though, McIntyre pickups are
>used by
>almost every builder and top player. They are round transducer pickups that
>attach (with a glob of adhesive) directly to the spider.
Hi Dick,
I started playing Dobro (Hawaiian style) in 1970 and have amplified quite a few
of the Spider style resonators and also the biscuit type. On several of the
spider type, I had very good results with the old style Barcus-Berry that was
rectangular and had a small hole on either end.I'd file a flat spot on the
spider, in back of the bridge area, where there was a lot of metal coming
together. I'd then drill 2 small holes and mount the transducer with machine
screws. It is of the utmost importance that the wire of any type of transducer
be isolated from touching anything before it terminates at the jack. In the
instance where it must go through a wooden or metal partition, a small rubber
grommet does the trick.
On the biscuit style resonators, I have had great success with the Fishman
SBT-E soundboard transducers (hence the model disignation). I always installed
it under the cone where it attached to the buscuit (next to the screw, but not
touching it). A flat spot usually has to be created, but this is easy to do in
the thin aluminum. I did this particular install for my friend Jimmy Vivino and
it sounded wonderful. It replaced the Barcus-Berry magnetic unit he was using,
which can't sound at all like a resonator.
Take care,
Howard Emerson
From: John B. <john@terog...>
Subject: Re: What kind of pickup for resonators?
Date: Wed, 19 Jan 2000 06:58:16 -0600
There is also the Highlander Pickup and more...
check out here;
http://www.beardguitars.com/explode/resophonic/amplification.html
also the National website;
http://www.nationalguitars.com/
Have Fun!!
John
RLWanderman wrote in message
<<20000119023426.03558.00000224@ng-bk1...>>...
>What kind of pickup would suit a resonator guitar? I mean, that would pick
up
>all the "qualities" (gritty tone, etc) of them. A friend of mine actually
had
>a hole cut in the top and put in a humbucker, like on Gibson electrics. It
>sounds all right but I'm wondering if there are better alternatives.
>
>Thanks for the help.
>
>Roland
From: <pgkuchar@my-deja...>
Subject: Re: What kind of pickup for resonators?
Date: Wed, 19 Jan 2000 15:21:40 GMT
Organization: Deja.com - Before you buy.
Elderly Instruments installs an Olson "Cone Tone" pickup on many of the
Johnson Resonators they sell. I don't know if you can get it from
anyone else, but I'm sure they'd sell it seperately. It is long piezo
element that runs the length of the cone in a big glob of black stuff.
I have a Johnson resonator from them with it on. The nice thing about
it is that it very faithfully reproduces the resonator tone. The
downside is that you have a big glob of stuff on the cone which will
reduce it's natural acoustic sound to some degree. The output is
pretty low and will require a preamp as well.
In article <Tsih4.71$<Z4.6355@news...>>,
"John B." <john@terog.com> wrote:> There is also the Highlander Pickup and more...
> check out here;
>
> http://www.beardguitars.com/explode/resophonic/amplification.html
>
> also the National website;
>
> http://www.nationalguitars.com/
>
> Have Fun!!
>
> John
>
> RLWanderman wrote in message
> <<20000119023426.03558.00000224@ng-bk1...>>...
> >What kind of pickup would suit a resonator guitar? I mean, that
would pick
> up
> >all the "qualities" (gritty tone, etc) of them. A friend of mine
actually
> had
> >a hole cut in the top and put in a humbucker, like on Gibson
electrics. It
> >sounds all right but I'm wondering if there are better alternatives.
> >
> >Thanks for the help.
> >
> >Roland
>
>
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From: Tom Crandall <tomcran@megsinet...>
Subject: Re: What kind of pickup for resonators?
Date: Wed, 19 Jan 2000 22:01:53 -0000
RLWanderman wrote in message
<<20000119023426.03558.00000224@ng-bk1...>>...
>What kind of pickup would suit a resonator guitar? I mean, that would pick
up
>all the "qualities" (gritty tone, etc) of them. A friend of mine actually
had
>a hole cut in the top and put in a humbucker, like on Gibson electrics. It
>sounds all right but I'm wondering if there are better alternatives.
>
>Thanks for the help.
>
>Roland
The resonator players who I know swear by the McIntyre.
Tom
| Transducers for resonators [3] |
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From: Doctor Oakroot <droakroot@my-deja...>
Subject: Re: Transducers for resonators
Date: Tue, 07 Mar 2000 16:19:44 GMT
Organization: Deja.com - Before you buy.
In article <<20000306182024.02601.00000385@ng-fh1...>>,
unsung96@aol.com (Unsung96) wrote:> << Anybody have any suggestions ontransducers for use on a Regal 45?
>>
>
> McIntyre
>
>
I've got a McIntyre on my resonator and it really sucks. Lots of
intermodulation distortion - I have to run it through an EQ with highs
completely cut. Still doesn't sound right, but at least it not
physically painful.
I'm about convinced that a microphone is the only way to go with a
resonator. Recently, I played a show with a Peavey PVM 45i about 12
inches out from the guitar and got great results - and plenty of monitor
with no feedback.--
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From: Unsung96 <unsung96@aol...>
Subject: Re: Transducers for resonators
Date: 07 Mar 2000 19:01:25 GMT
Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com
<<
I've got a McIntyre on my resonator and it really sucks. Lots of
intermodulation distortion - I have to run it through an EQ with highs
completely cut. Still doesn't sound right, but at least it not
physically painful.
I'm about convinced that a microphone is the only way to go with a
resonator. Recently, I played a show with a Peavey PVM 45i about 12
inches out from the guitar and got great results - and plenty of monitor
with no feedback.>>Doctor OakrootSorry to hear. I'd say every dobro player that I've played with on the road
recently (which ain't a whole lot, but several) is using a McIntyre PU.
Some alone some blended with an onboard mic. One guy's sounded pretty horrible,
the others sound very good to me. But I don't play the instrument. I thought
one guy was using a mic but it was just the McIntyre.
From: <thaxter@erols...>
Subject: Re: Transducers for resonators
Date: Mon, 06 Mar 2000 21:59:12 -0500
jl wrote:
>
> Anybody have any suggestions ontransducers for use on a Regal 45?
> Fishman SBT?
>
> Suggestions on preamps?
> Any input or ideas on transducer placement?
Well Carl McIntyre posted here today or yesterday and he makes
one of the most respected resonator pickups around. Many top
players and reso builders use them. It's actually a resonator/flattop
soundboard transducer pickup and it attaches with a wad of black
goop to the bottom of the spider bridge (is the Regal 45 a spider? or
a biscuit?). Only modification to the guitar is to drill out for
an endpin jack. These pickups work great in acoustics, too (got
one in my Seagull and one in my resonator) and the price is right
($80). If you can't find 'em locally I'm sure FQMS sells them.
Dick Thaxter
| Best resonator pickup? National style |
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From: juvenal <juvenal@juvenal...>
Subject: Re: Best resonator pickup? National style
Date: Wed, 19 Apr 2000 12:05:55 GMT
Organization: PenTeleData http://www.ptd.net
A. Kooser wrote...
> I have a National-style biscuit bridge metal-body resonator by Sterling.
> I am looking for a recommendation on a pickup to have installed in it.
No first-hand experience, but...
StewMac lists three PU's for National-style resonator guitars. Highlander
coaxial transducer mounted in it's own maple biscuit bridge, McIntyre
transducer that mounts to the underside of the cone, and Don Lace sensor
that attaches to face of guitar under strings.
The Highlander sounds like it would have the most accurate sound.
juvenal
| installing a MacIntyre pick-up [2] |
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From: mike gray <mjgst39@pitt...>
Subject: installing a MacIntyre pick-up
Date: Mon, 15 May 2000 09:52:40 -0400
Organization: University of Pittsburgh
hey gang - anybody install one of these on a metal body resonator - really
want to know if there are any small points to follow to make it easy( or
easier ) and painless
thanks
mike
From: Ron Campbell <raca@aisl...>
Subject: Re: installing a MacIntyre pick-up
Date: Mon, 15 May 2000 22:36:45 GMT
Organization: Deja.com - Before you buy.
In article <8fovf9$hjo$<1@usenet01...>>,
"mike gray" <mjgst39@pitt.edu> wrote:> hey gang - anybody install one of these on a metal body resonator -
really
> want to know if there are any small points to follow to make it easy(
>
Not in a metal body, but I put one in my Dobro. I forget the model#,
but it's the one that just attaches to the spider with sticky gum. I'm
quite happy with it, BUT:
1) Instructions say to put it right under the tailpiece, but I ended up
putting it up near the neck. Otherwise, it's way too high-endy.
2) You need the preamp too. Without it, you have virtually no volume
at all.
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| Advice on pickup or mic for a Dobro - Please [7] |
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From: Jim McCarthy <stockton@cyberenet...>
Subject: Advice on pickup or mic for a Dobro - Please
Date: Wed, 28 Jun 2000 04:46:59 -0400
Organization: ETI Network Service Provider
I'm seeking advice about adding a pickup or a mic to my Dobro. A local
music store is suggesting a miniflex for Dobro. I know very little
about amps, pickups and mics, so, any guidance would be appreciated.
Dick Thaxter, if your out there, I met you at ECIII and you were kind
enough to give me some advice about amplification. I have that advice
noted somewhere, but I'll be damned if I can find it.
Forgetfullness, which I like to refer to it as a senior moment, is one
thing I am continuously enhancing. I'm near expert.
Jim (I forgot to put something here) McCarthy
From: Tom Watson <mrnospamtom@bigfoot...>
Subject: Re: Advice on pickup or mic for a Dobro - Please
Date: Thu, 29 Jun 2000 03:11:17 GMT
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A guy here named Tim Williams plays a johnson professionally and he had his outfitted with
a low profile pickup stuck on with double sided tape. Works for him.
Stew mac has some in their Catalog as well
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A guy here named Tim Williams plays a johnson professionally and he had his outfitted with a low profile pickup stuck on with double sided tape. Works for him.
Stew mac has some in their Catalog as well