| Whats the best INTERNAL microphone..? [9] |
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From: <stevewildey@my-deja...>
Subject: Whats the best INTERNAL microphone..?
Date: Mon, 15 Jan 2001 02:23:17 GMT
Organization: Deja.com
Hello to All,
I am looking around for a good free floating internal mic for myBourgeois OMC, to be coupled with the Soundboard transducer thats in
there now. I have to admit, I know nothing about these, so I really
need your help!. Please, if you can, describe why you like the
particular brand and what the set-up is your using, include the guitar
its in so I can guage the size. Thanks.
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From: Nathaniel Tan <zentan@singnet...>
Subject: Re: Whats the best INTERNAL microphone..?
Date: Mon, 15 Jan 2001 22:19:26 +0800
Organization: Singapore Telecommunications Ltd
I'd recommend the entity (B-Band) internal mic if you're using a Dread....if
ur using a classical.....sbt would be good enough.
nathaniel
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> Hello to All,
> I am looking around for a good free floating internal mic for my
> Bourgeois OMC, to be coupled with the Soundboard transducer thats in
> there now. I have to admit, I know nothing about these, so I really
> need your help!. Please, if you can, describe why you like the
> particular brand and what the set-up is your using, include the guitar
> its in so I can guage the size. Thanks.
>
> Steve.
>
>
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From: Larry Pattis <LarryPattis@NoSpamOnRMMGA...>
Subject: Re: Whats the best INTERNAL microphone..?
Date: Mon, 15 Jan 2001 07:54:24 -0700
Organization: XMission http://www.xmission.com/
In article <93tmug$drr$<1@nnrp1...>>, <stevewildey@my-deja...> wrote:
> Hello to All,
> I am looking around for a good free floating internal mic for my
> Bourgeois OMC, to be coupled with the Soundboard transducer thats in
> there now. I have to admit, I know nothing about these, so I really
> need your help!. Please, if you can, describe why you like the
> particular brand and what the set-up is your using, include the guitar
> its in so I can guage the size. Thanks.
>
> Steve.
Steve,
I have heard good things about the Highlander internal mic, but I have yet
to hear one for myself. In my experience, the Joe Mills mic does tha
absolute best job when added to any piezo pick-up. It is less prone to
feedback, and more natural sounding than others (less boom-ey), and when
added to an undersaddle piezo allows plenty of gain to supplement (and
alter!) the piezo sound.
A plug for B-band: When I switched to the B-band product a few years ago I
tested both the Joe Mills and the B-band mic. Due to not needing as much
Mic in the mix with B-band, I opted for their less expensive mic. But with
a piezo saddle element (IMO), you need all the help that you can get.
First Quality Musical Supply (http://www.fqms.com) carries the Mills mic.
BTW, adding a Mic to an SBT is not my personal recommendation. Both tend
to feedback with similar frequencies. It is best to consider how the
"blended" signal will sound, and how it can be manipulated to best
reproduce a natural sound.
Choose one pick-up type from each of the two categories, and then combine:1) SBT, Mic
2) Saddle element, Magnetic pick-up.
Breaking my own rules: As I mentioned, in my experience the B-band requires
less Mic signal added to it than any other saddle element, has natural
sounding highs, and therefore also sounds good with Magnetic pick-ups. I
will be testing the B-band with an SBT shortly.....
Larry Pattis
"My mind is a dangerous place, I never go there alone"
Lpattis "at" xmission "dot" com
From: <bmoas@yahoo...>
Subject: Re: Whats the best INTERNAL microphone..?
Date: Mon, 15 Jan 2001 15:57:30 GMT
Organization: Deja.com
In article <93tmug$drr$<1@nnrp1...>>,
stevewildey@my-deja.com wrote:> Hello to All,
> I am looking around for a good free floating internal mic for my
> Bourgeois OMC, to be coupled with the Soundboard transducer thats in
> there now. I have to admit, I know nothing about these, so I really
> need your help!. Please, if you can, describe why you like the
> particular brand and what the set-up is your using, include the guitar
> its in so I can guage the size. Thanks.
I have heard some in guitar mics that work in peticular the Crown glm
but I suggest that you have a buddy play your guitar and you create a
megaphone by rolling up some stiff paper in a cone insert the small
end into your guitar.
what this will do is let you hear the sound inside your guitar thatyou want to amplify
after doing this IF you still belive that is a good sound and youwant it to represent your tone I would suggest going with the set -up
Howard emerson has
But be aware you will get a much more natural sound with a mic(startwith a Audio technica 4033) on a stand you will also get more volume
from a mic on a stand
what you lose is the ability to run around on stage while still ripping
out great music
so if Van Halen like jumps and Pete Townsend windmills are not part of
your "ACT" I suggest a external mic
George Gleason
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From: Tom Loredo <loredo@spacenet...>
Subject: Re: Whats the best INTERNAL microphone..?
Date: Tue, 16 Jan 2001 16:45:41 -0500
Organization: Cornell University
Hi folks-
Regarding mic recommendations, I echo Larry's recommendations. In particular,
the Mills mic is a real standout. A couple years ago I did an internal mic
"shootout," putting 5 or 6 different mics in my Olson SJ (and recording 4
simultaneously on a 4-track for a separate listening test). The Mills really
stood out as having the most accurate and sweet high end. It is rather
boomy at the low end, but in a mic+pickup setup one usually rolls off
the low end on the mic a lot (that's why most dual source preamps have
a low cut filter for the mic channel). If you want more details about
this comparison, the old posts can probably be located via Deja.com.
It was amazing how similar the other mics sounded to each other, given
that their prices differed from each other by a factor of about 30!
buffaloearl wrote:
>
> pardon my ignorance, but, I have a Taylor 314CE (has the pickup, and
> fishman preamp...no internal microphone), and would love to add a
> microphone, but i return to the problem, can I hook that up to a stereo
> jack (the preamped pickup on one channel and the mic on the other), and
> do i need to buy a blender (such as Raven Labs)to mix the signals? Or,
> can I just run the stereo signal to a "Y" cable, and send it to two
> channels on a PA? I have an LR baggs paracoustic, would that handle the
> stereo signal, or just take it in mono (losing the mic signal)?
Internal mics need a power source. Some internal pickup preamps will
power the mic from the battery in the guitar (e.g. the B-Band Core
preamp, the Baggs Double Barrel, the Highlander IP-2). In this case, you can
use a Y cable to go to two channels of a mixer (though most mixers will
not have adjustable low cut, so you may have trouble with the low end
of the mic signal). If your mic is connected directly to the jack,
you have to provide it power remotely. The phantom power provided
by mic channels on a mixer is not of the correct type needed for
internal mics. The cheapest way to get the correct remote power
(short of building a simple circuit yourself) is from the LR Baggs
MixPro. Other than that, you need a "blender" type preamp, such
as the Fishman Blender series, the B-Band Entity, or the Raven
Master Blender (which lacks a lo cut on the mic channel). There are
also more expensive options from Rane and Pendulum.
The ParaAcoustic DI, while a great box for a single signal, will not
help with your dual source signal. If you use a Y cable, you can
still use it on the pickup signal or possibly on the mic signal (if
the mic is powered in the guitar), though I'm not sure it is quiet
enough for the low level signals from a mic.
> Maybe I should just save my money and buy some hex pickups or see about
> the new LRbaggs I-Beam.....You'd think there would be an affordable and
> flexible solution to the piezo 'quack'.....
If there is no rush, I suggest you wait for a few months before making
your amplification gear buying decisions. The new technology coming
from folks like Baggs, B-Band, PUTW and others may make us rethink the
whole dual-source thing. Or it may not. Too early to tell.
Peace,
Tom Loredo
From: buffaloearl <buffaloearl@my-deja...>
Subject: Re: Whats the best INTERNAL microphone..?
Date: Wed, 17 Jan 2001 13:14:53 GMT
Organization: Deja.com
No rush? hehe...I don't have the cash now, so if it was a rush, it
wouldn't matter...i just bought my boomerang in the summer and my PADI
for Christmas...the only reason I'm interested in the mic as opposed to
the B-band is I do quite a bit of percussion on the guitar (ala Phil
Keaggy...yes, Tom, I'm on the Keaggy list too) and really want that full
sound to loop behind me...not sure how the B-band is for that sort of
thing..with my Matrix pickup, it doesn't come out clear at all, very
muddy...
At this point, I think I'm going to wait to see what the LR Baggs
drop-in replacement thing is (and how much it costs)...but, someday, may
consider putting in a mic to a stereo Jack, to a 'Y' cable, and run the
pickup to the PADI, and the mic to some other offboard
preamp/processor...any suggestions for one (prefferably with some EQ and
lowcut abilities?) maybe another PADI? That would be fine for a PA..as
far as running to an amp, I could always buy a little 4 channel mixer
(or the Raven Labs blender..) keep in mind, I'm trying to avoid
spending a ton of money...then again, you get what you pay for...
To circumvent me stumbling around the posts, what was the mic that was
the best value? I've read alot of the old posts about a radio shack mic
with a resistor and 9V battery...but didn't see anything about the
other specific microphones...seemed to me they were quite affordable...
anyways, if any of you would rather email me anything...I'm at
.....<earl.t.mccullough@delphiauto...>....
In article <<3A64C105.815A8A15@spacenet...>>,
Tom Loredo <loredo@spacenet.tn.cornell.edu> wrote:>
> If there is no rush, I suggest you wait for a few months before making
> your amplification gear buying decisions. The new technology coming
> from folks like Baggs, B-Band, PUTW and others may make us rethink the
> whole dual-source thing. Or it may not. Too early to tell.
>
--
Practice and pray. that is my only hope
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From: Steve Cuss <steveandlisa123@my-deja...>
Subject: Re: Whats the best INTERNAL microphone..?
Date: Tue, 16 Jan 2001 23:10:08 GMT
Organization: Deja.com
Hi Earl,
Hmmm, As best as I know, you could add a mic if you install a stereo
jack. As you said, you would then need some kind of blender (such as
the Raven Labs or Fishman Pocket Blender.) If you wanted to replace
your whole fishman setup, keep in mind you'll want to do something
about the hole left in the side of the guitar. That being said, many
people here (myself included) feel the b band pickup is a great under
saddle alternative that removes the quack.
As for the Baggs para acoustic DI ("PADI" to those who know and love
it!) It is a great unit, but is only mono, so won't handle both
sources. You can just do a stereo Y cable into the PA, but would lose
out not having some kind of preamp/DI for the mic, I would think. Also
a phase switch is very useful when you have two signals together. Teh
raven labs unit would do very nicely for what you want.
I've been on quite a journey with pu's and mics. If you want more
info, feel free to email me at: <cuss@juno...>
Steve Cuss
In article <941thr$snd$<1@nnrp1...>>,
buffaloearl <buffaloearl@my-deja.com> wrote:> pardon my ignorance, but, I have a Taylor 314CE (has the pickup, and
> fishman preamp...no internal microphone), and would love to add a
> microphone, but i return to the problem, can I hook that up to a
stereo
> jack (the preamped pickup on one channel and the mic on the other),
and
> do i need to buy a blender (such as Raven Labs)to mix the signals?
Or,
> can I just run the stereo signal to a "Y" cable, and send it to two
> channels on a PA? I have an LR baggs paracoustic, would that handle
the
> stereo signal, or just take it in mono (losing the mic signal)?
>
> Maybe I should just save my money and buy some hex pickups or see
about
> the new LRbaggs I-Beam.....You'd think there would be an affordable
and
> flexible solution to the piezo 'quack'.....
>
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From: Larry Pattis <LarryPattis@NoSpamOnRMMGA...>
Subject: Re: Whats the best INTERNAL microphone..?
Date: Tue, 16 Jan 2001 16:51:23 -0700
Organization: XMission http://www.xmission.com/
In article <<3A64DE1D.3ED1326C@bouldernews...>>, John Sorell
<<jsorell@bouldernews...>> wrote:
> Steve/anybody
>
> Ever use a Joe Mills mic with a Fishman Natural pickup?
>
> John
That used to be my standard before the B-and came along....Fishman
Matrix/Joe Mills Mic/Fishman Pocket Blender....and I tried/used this combo
with Pendulum and Rane pre-amps, as well.
Larry Pattis
"My mind is a dangerous place, I never go there alone"
Lpattis "at" xmission "dot" com
From: Stephen Boyke <sdelsolray@home...>
Subject: Re: Whats the best INTERNAL microphone..?
Date: Sat, 20 Jan 2001 17:40:20 GMT
Organization: Excite@Home - The Leader in Broadband http://home.com/faster
in article 93tmug$drr$<1@nnrp1...>, <stevewildey@my-deja...> at
<stevewildey@my-deja...> wrote on 1/14/01 6:23 PM:
> Hello to All,
> I am looking around for a good free floating internal mic for my
> Bourgeois OMC, to be coupled with the Soundboard transducer thats in
> there now. I have to admit, I know nothing about these, so I really
> need your help!. Please, if you can, describe why you like the
> particular brand and what the set-up is your using, include the guitar
> its in so I can guage the size. Thanks.
>
> Steve.
Joe Mills works well, certainly better than most. The AKG 413B is alsovery nice (but incompatible with a Rane AP13 unless you change a condenser).
I use the Joe Mills along with the K&K 3-part transducer, stereo out, in a
EI rosewood/sitka Tippin OMT. Your Bourgeois OMC is very similar to the
Tippin.
--
Stephen T. Boyke
| where can I buy a Crown/Fishman GLM-200..? [3] |
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From: <stevewildey@my-deja...>
Subject: where can I buy a Crown/Fishman GLM-200..?
Date: Wed, 17 Jan 2001 21:23:21 GMT
Organization: Deja.com
Hi,
I need help finding out about the GLM-200, where can I buy one..? andwhere can I get some info on it..?
Thanks, Steve.Sent via Deja.com
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From: Tom Loredo <loredo@spacenet...>
Subject: Re: where can I buy a Crown/Fishman GLM-200..?
Date: Wed, 17 Jan 2001 16:57:10 -0500
Organization: Cornell University
Steve-
I believe First Quality sells them; they may not be listed on the web site,
but I'm virtually certain they are in the catalog. http://www.fqms.com/
For info, go to http://www.crownaudio.com/. The GLM page is:
http://www.crownaudio.com/mic_htm/glm.htm
Peace,
Tom Loredo
From: Hmemerson <hmemerson@aol...>
Subject: Re: where can I buy a Crown/Fishman GLM-200..?
Date: 17 Jan 2001 22:39:02 GMT
Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com
Hi Steve,
You can order the Fishman/Crown GLM-200E from the Mandolin Brothers. If you do
go to the Crown site link that Tom Loredo provided, just remember that the unit
as supplied by Crown has an XLR plug and transformer on the end of the cable.
If you want this mic for the purposes that I use it for (inside my guitars,
sometimes outside, though) with an SBT-E soundboard transducer, then you want
it as Fishman supplies it. The 'E' in the nomenclature stands for
'electronicless', because the transformer has been removed and the mic just has
a cable with 3 wires at the end.
Hope this helps.
Take care,
Howard Emerson
| clamp with gooseneck for small mic |
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From: <klaberte@my-deja...>
Subject: clamp with gooseneck for small mic
Date: Thu, 08 Feb 2001 20:20:09 GMT
Organization: Deja.com
I am interested in finding a small mic holder which I can attach
to the outside of my guitar. I am not interested in clamping
to the sound hole; instead I want the clamp to go around the side
of the guitar. A picture of what I'm looking for is at:
http://www.appliedmic.com/guitar.htm
(bottom picture; S15G - SSCA)
I am not entirely opposed to the AMT S15G - SSCA (how much do they
cost, new and used?), but would like to be a bit more flexible,
should I choose a different mic at some point. For example, maybe
I'll attach a crown glm.
Thoughts? Suggestions?
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| Cheap good sounding mic for acoustic [3] |
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From: John Bercik <bercikj@musc...>
Subject: Cheap good sounding mic for acoustic
Date: Mon, 19 Feb 2001 16:40:11 -0500
Organization: Medical University of South Carolina, Charleston SC, USA
What's a good cheap mic to mount in an acoustic guitar?
Where can I get it?
Any tips to reduce feedback?
Thanks
John
From: Steve <sefstrat@aol...>
Subject: Re: Cheap good sounding mic for acoustic
Date: 20 Feb 2001 03:36:39 GMT
Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com
>What's a good cheap mic to mount in an acoustic guitar?
You would do this because....? You want a cheap sound?
There are commercially available pickup systems at all sorts of price points.
Some incorporate mics, many don't. What application do you intend for this,
and how much are you looking to spend?
Steve (SEFSTRAT)
webpage: http://members.aol.com/sefstrat/index.html/sefpage.html
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They did it by killing all those who opposed them.
From: Jurjen <rvjbols@globalxs...>
Subject: Re: Cheap good sounding mic for acoustic
Date: Tue, 20 Feb 2001 09:53:48 +0100
Organization: myself
> What's a good cheap mic to mount in an acoustic guitar?
I recently bought a Schaller Oyster, the kind that is taped to the top or
bridge, only about $30,- and it works quit nice. No need to buy a state of
art pick up on a $200,- flat top and a $100,- 2nd hand Marchall amp.
> Where can I get it?
I bought mine here in Holland...
> Any tips to reduce feedback?
Keep your amp low and away from the guitar, hand on the strings at all
times.
cheers
Jurjen
| Baggs Dual Source Users(again0 [2] |
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From: MondoSlug4 <mondoslug4@aol...>
Subject: Baggs Dual Source Users(again0
Date: 06 Apr 2001 13:56:41 GMT
Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com
Now that I've got your attention - Has anybody actually replaced the "mic" that
comes with the System with a different internal mic ie:Crown, Joe Mills, etc.
If so is it usable(as in desirable tone) going mono out of the guitar into say
a PARA DI - as opposed to being split out into some sort of blender. Obviously
there's advantages to coming out TRS - I'm just curious if the system is just
tweaked for maximum mononess using the the mic that comes with it as opposed to
replacing it with a with a "better" mic.
From: M Musement <mmusement@aol...>
Subject: Re: Baggs Dual Source Users(again0
Date: 06 Apr 2001 19:21:21 GMT
Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com
Hi,
One thing you could do is to use a mic that has a natural "hi-pass" curve toit.
If you can not find one wherever you are, send your address to<ChamberMuseInk@aol...> and I will forward one to you to try. You can buy it
from me if it works for you. The cost is nominal. Please understand that this
will require cutting, soldering and shrink tubing the assembly to do it
correctly.
Sending the two sources to two external preamp stages with EQ will provide thewidest options for you. The pre-blend is effective only in limited applications
as you will need to set the blend while monitoring through the same system you
will gig with and do so while using the same levels.
AUDIOS, Christopher
| AKG C 411 Mini-Mike for a nylon string |
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From: Willie K. Yee, MD <wyeeNOSPAM@bestweb...>
Subject: Re: AKG C 411 Mini-Mike for a nylon string
Date: Fri, 20 Apr 2001 10:30:13 GMT
Organization: BestWeb (bestweb.net)
I have not had experience with that particular mic, though I think it
should work. Placement is as important (if not more) than the specific
mic. Experiment with lots of different placements. Most often, pointed
at the 12t fret, 12-18 inches away works with classical guitars. Other
placements, even over the guitarist's right shoulder sometimes work. Do
a lot of experimenting. Even less than a inch can make a big difference.
pawlowski5 wrote:
>
> Has anyone experiences with the AKG C 411 Mini-Mike for a nylon string ?
>
> Betti
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| Dougie MacLean's Soundhole Mic Holder ? [5] |
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From: Al Sterling <sterling@mediaone...>
Subject: Dougie MacLean's Soundhole Mic Holder ?
Date: Fri, 11 May 2001 15:34:45 GMT
Organization: Road Runner
Hi Folks,
I was wondering if anyone out there might know what kind of soundhole
microphone holder Dougie MacLean uses. The mic itself is a "lapel" small
condenser mic.
Thanks,
Al Sterling
Bedford, NH
From: hank alrich <walkinay@thegrid...>
Subject: Re: Dougie MacLean's Soundhole Mic Holder ?
Date: Fri, 11 May 2001 11:23:06 -0700
Organization: secret mountain
Al Sterling <<sterling@mediaone...>> wrote:
> I was wondering if anyone out there might know what kind of soundhole
> microphone holder Dougie MacLean uses. The mic itself is a "lapel" small
> condenser mic.
In a close-up photo I saw of it he had taken a short length of "Romex"
type electrical cable (as used for in-wall AC distro) and bent it into a
hook and holder for the mic. At a show locally he swapped the mic easily
between his guitars.
--
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From: Chris Stern <chris@falsgrave...>
Subject: Re: Dougie MacLean's Soundhole Mic Holder ?
Date: Fri, 11 May 2001 18:50:14 -0400
Organization: Posted via Supernews, http://www.supernews.com
Dougie showed me this a few years ago. It was certainly home made and I
guess you are right about what he used.
Chris
"hank alrich" <<walkinay@thegrid...>> wrote in message
news:<1et8l1j.1erg1smephoz1N@209-162-27-101...>...
> Al Sterling <<sterling@mediaone...>> wrote:
>
> > I was wondering if anyone out there might know what kind of soundhole
> > microphone holder Dougie MacLean uses. The mic itself is a "lapel" small
> > condenser mic.
>
> In a close-up photo I saw of it he had taken a short length of "Romex"
> type electrical cable (as used for in-wall AC distro) and bent it into a
> hook and holder for the mic. At a show locally he swapped the mic easily
> between his guitars.
>
> --
> "You got to get it while you can!"
> To order the four-CD set of "RAP 3 Times" see
> http://www.hoohahrecords.com/rap
> A Public Service Announcement from secret mountain
From: ooglewoogle <glen.rutherford@ntlworld...>
Subject: Re: Dougie MacLean's Soundhole Mic Holder ?
Date: Sat, 12 May 2001 14:43:12 +0100
Organization: ntlworld News Service
hi guys...
i too love the sound of this mic! (have u heard it with his mccollum grand
aud.? yummeee!). don't know what kind of a home botch up job :O) he did on
the holder...but the mic is a sony tv studio lapel mic. get yourself one of
those....mabye a few pipe cleaners....some stick back plastic....and away u
go! lol...
for all it sounds superb....everytime i see it i just think how much it
would bug me silly when playing!
glen
Chris Stern <<chris@falsgrave...>> wrote in message
news:<tfor6shlf7l2a5@corp...>...
> Dougie showed me this a few years ago. It was certainly home made and I
> guess you are right about what he used.
>
> Chris
>
> "hank alrich" <<walkinay@thegrid...>> wrote in message
> news:<1et8l1j.1erg1smephoz1N@209-162-27-101...>...
> > Al Sterling <<sterling@mediaone...>> wrote:
> >
> > > I was wondering if anyone out there might know what kind of soundhole
> > > microphone holder Dougie MacLean uses. The mic itself is a "lapel"
small
> > > condenser mic.
> >
> > In a close-up photo I saw of it he had taken a short length of "Romex"
> > type electrical cable (as used for in-wall AC distro) and bent it into a
> > hook and holder for the mic. At a show locally he swapped the mic easily
> > between his guitars.
> >
> > --
> > "You got to get it while you can!"
> > To order the four-CD set of "RAP 3 Times" see
> > http://www.hoohahrecords.com/rap
> > A Public Service Announcement from secret mountain
>
>
From: hank alrich <walkinay@thegrid...>
Subject: Re: Dougie MacLean's Soundhole Mic Holder ?
Date: Sat, 12 May 2001 10:48:34 -0700
Organization: secret mountain
ooglewoogle <<glen.rutherford@ntlworld...>> wrote:
> hi guys...
> i too love the sound of this mic! (have u heard it with his mccollum grand
> aud.? yummeee!). don't know what kind of a home botch up job :O) he did on
> the holder...but the mic is a sony tv studio lapel mic. get yourself one of
> those....mabye a few pipe cleaners....some stick back plastic....and away u
> go! lol...
> for all it sounds superb....everytime i see it i just think how much it
> would bug me silly when playing!
A couple of things to consider: firstly, it sounds so good, so natural,
because it's an omnidirectional mic and hence, lacks the proximity
effect of directional mics that would result in truckloads of low end
mooosh if placed that close to the instrument and essentially in the
soundhole. Secondly, because it's an omni it won't work well in
situations where stage monitors are required.
> Chris Stern <<chris@falsgrave...>> wrote in message
> news:<tfor6shlf7l2a5@corp...>...
> > Dougie showed me this a few years ago. It was certainly home made and I
> > guess you are right about what he used.
> > "hank alrich" <<walkinay@thegrid...>> wrote in message
> > news:<1et8l1j.1erg1smephoz1N@209-162-27-101...>...
> > > Al Sterling <<sterling@mediaone...>> wrote:
> > > > I was wondering if anyone out there might know what kind of soundhole
> > > > microphone holder Dougie MacLean uses. The mic itself is a "lapel"
> > > > small condenser mic.
> > > In a close-up photo I saw of it he had taken a short length of "Romex"
> > > type electrical cable (as used for in-wall AC distro) and bent it into a
> > > hook and holder for the mic. At a show locally he swapped the mic easily
> > > between his guitars.
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From: Frank Wiewandt <fwphoto@lrbcg...>
Subject: Dougie MacLean's Soundhole Mic Holder
Date: Tue, 15 May 2001 13:32:08 -0400
Organization: Internet Commerce & Communications
Hey All,
I've been reading the posts on Dougie MacLean's set-up & wondered whether
there are any pix available on-line that show the design of the holder &
placement of the mic. If not, I'd appreciate as detailed a description as
you can muster that might help me establish a starting point. I'm not
familiar with him or his music, & a quick search of his website (which is
quite nice BTW) didn't help me out.
I've got a few high-end lav mics laying around from a former life as a TV
news photographer & would like to try them out on my guitars. I briefly
messed around with them a while back but didn't have very good results &
eventually bought a Rare Earth Hummer to use instead. I'd like to try using
the lav as a second source with my PUTW. Might be interesting.
TIA,
Frank Wiewandt
From: Carlos Alden <calden@iea...>
Subject: Re: Dougie MacLean's Soundhole Mic Holder
Date: Tue, 15 May 2001 19:38:14 GMT
Organization: Verio
In article <jMdM6.576$<Yt5.92737669@den-news1...>>, "Frank Wiewandt"
<<fwphoto@lrbcg...>> wrote:
>Hey All,
>
>I've been reading the posts on Dougie MacLean's set-up & wondered whether
>there are any pix available on-line that show the design of the holder &
>placement of the mic. If not, I'd appreciate as detailed a description as
>you can muster that might help me establish a starting point. I'm not
>familiar with him or his music, & a quick search of his website (which is
>quite nice BTW) didn't help me out.
>
>I've got a few high-end lav mics laying around from a former life as a TV
>news photographer & would like to try them out on my guitars. I briefly
>messed around with them a while back but didn't have very good results &
>eventually bought a Rare Earth Hummer to use instead. I'd like to try using
>the lav as a second source with my PUTW. Might be interesting.
>
>TIA,
>
>Frank Wiewandt
Frank:
I just produced a show for a friend's band, Telynor. They play medieval
and celtic and early American music on a variety of instruments - guitar,
cittern, dulcimer, hurdy-gurdy, and nyckelharpa. They each have only one
lav-type mic, connected to a belt-attached preamp. When they change
instruments they simple turn down the volume, take the mic off the velcro
pad attached on each instrument, change instruments, and then re-attach
the mic on the new instrument. On the citterns and guitar they had the
pad next to the treble end of the bridge, slightly towards the sound
hole. All instruments sounded damn good. I did the sound for them and
there was plenty of room for volume before feedback.
Carlos
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From: Paul Craven <pcraven@yorku...>
Subject: Re: Dougie MacLean's Soundhole Mic Holder
Date: Tue, 15 May 2001 20:07:59 GMT
Organization: York University
I don't know what MacLean does, but I have used Velcro stick-on
patches to mount a tie-tac style microphone inside an acoustic.
I used epoxy putty to make a flat surface on the back of the
mic holder, then stuck one of the tiny Velcro disks to it; stuck
the matching disk to a brace, and attached the microphone to it
with the cord running out the sound hole. It worked reasonably
well; the microphone angle is adjustable in the plane of
of the velcro disk, and the mic is easily inserted and removed and
stays put while playing. The Velcro disk stayed on the strut for
about a year, when I decided to remove it in favour of a different
pickup system. It peeled off without any damage or mark to the
strut, and the little bit of adhesive residue wiped off easily with
an alcohol-dampened swab. It's worth trying, and could be adapted
to mount the microphone on a popsicle stick or the like rather than
directly on the brace. There was no real downside to the mounting
method, although I was never really fond of the sound quality I got
from that little microphone, and it was quite feedback-prone.
Frank Wiewandt wrote:
>
> Hey All,
>
> I've been reading the posts on Dougie MacLean's set-up & wondered whether
> there are any pix available on-line that show the design of the holder &
> placement of the mic. If not, I'd appreciate as detailed a description as
> you can muster that might help me establish a starting point. I'm not
> familiar with him or his music, & a quick search of his website (which is
> quite nice BTW) didn't help me out.
>
> I've got a few high-end lav mics laying around from a former life as a TV
> news photographer & would like to try them out on my guitars. I briefly
> messed around with them a while back but didn't have very good results &
> eventually bought a Rare Earth Hummer to use instead. I'd like to try using
> the lav as a second source with my PUTW. Might be interesting.
>
> TIA,
>
> Frank Wiewandt
________________
Paul Craven
From: M Musement <mmusement@aol...>
Subject: Re: Dougie MacLean's Soundhole Mic Holder
Date: 15 May 2001 21:32:05 GMT
Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com
Paul & other interested parties,
An option is to take a thin aluminum or brass strip and wind it around the micwire. Then slip a piece of shrink tubing over the assembly and heat with a hot
air gun or even a bic lighter and you have insta goose neck which you can
attach with the velcro or any number of spring clips available at craft stores
and or good hardware outlets. "Ace" is the place, here in central NY. A small
piece of veneer or cork often works fine to protect the finish from the clip.
Rubbers and plastics can be an option, dependant on the finish
One variation I also use when I run the wires inside to a standard outputjack, is that I solder a 1/8" mini jack onto the other end of the length of the
cable and place a piece of the mat side of the "velcro" hook and loop material
around the jack sleeve. I also place a piece of the mat side around the plug
so that when both are mated, you can position them on the same piece of hook.
I like to position a single point entry element aimed at the tongue of thefinger board, right above the soundhole. Dual sided capsules are better off
being placed inside for greater gain before feedback.
AUDIOS, Christopher
From: McCollum <mccollum@netshel...>
Subject: Re: Dougie MacLean's Soundhole Mic Holder
Date: Tue, 15 May 2001 16:57:26 -0700
Organization: Posted via Supernews, http://www.supernews.com
Frank,There's a picture of Dougie on my website.
http://www.mccollumguitars.com/mcartist.htm
You can see a picture of the mic and the holder. As Hank said before, it's a
small piece of copper coated wire bent into a kind of funny u-shaped and
taped to the mic. It hangs on the edge of the sound hole and when he changes
guitars he lifts it up and hangs it over the mic onstage. Dougie's right
hand doesn't move a lot so he can get away with the mic being right next to
the strings. For most people this would never work.
Hope this works,
Lance
"Frank Wiewandt" <<fwphoto@lrbcg...>> wrote in message
news:jMdM6.576$<Yt5.92737669@den-news1...>...
> Hey All,
>
> I've been reading the posts on Dougie MacLean's set-up & wondered whether
> there are any pix available on-line that show the design of the holder &
> placement of the mic. If not, I'd appreciate as detailed a description as
> you can muster that might help me establish a starting point. I'm not
> familiar with him or his music, & a quick search of his website (which is
> quite nice BTW) didn't help me out.
>
> I've got a few high-end lav mics laying around from a former life as a TV
> news photographer & would like to try them out on my guitars. I briefly
> messed around with them a while back but didn't have very good results &
> eventually bought a Rare Earth Hummer to use instead. I'd like to try
using
> the lav as a second source with my PUTW. Might be interesting.
>
> TIA,
>
> Frank Wiewandt
>
>
From: Al Sterling <sterling@mediaone...>
Subject: Re: Dougie MacLean's Soundhole Mic Holder
Date: Wed, 16 May 2001 22:14:59 GMT
Organization: Road Runner
I have attached a picture of what you can do with standard "Romex" available
at Home Depot ... it really works well.
Al Sterling
[MicHolder.JPG]
From: hank alrich <walkinay@thegrid...>
Subject: Re: Dougie MacLean's Soundhole Mic Holder
Date: Thu, 17 May 2001 18:56:23 -0700
Organization: secret mountain
Frank Wiewandt <<fwphoto@lrbcg...>> wrote:
> Was this just a demo shot to show the possibility or have you used this as a
> mic holder? If so, is it designed to hold the mic inside or out?
I didn't look at the picture (binaries ain't supposed to be posted to
discussion groups; supposed to tell folks it's been posted to a binaries
group or give URL to a website with the graphic), but the photo I saw of
Dougie's was a short chunk of Romex, the upper part bent into a hook to
go over the lower edge of the soundhole and the lower part bent into a
clasp to hold the mic. High tech. <g> But it seems to work for him and
the price is right enough.
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From: Frank Wiewandt <fwphoto@lrbcg...>
Subject: Re: Dougie MacLean's Soundhole Mic Holder
Date: Fri, 18 May 2001 08:36:40 -0400
Organization: Internet Commerce & Communications
Al,
> It was designed to hold a "lav" mic on the outside of the guitar from the
> sound hole with the mic pointing down at the face(top) of the guitar. --
> Just like Dougie has !!
Yeah, that's what I thought. I might need to work out something that
actually "clamps" a bit to the edge of the soundhole, though. I think it
would get in the way for me if it were in the same position Dougie uses his.
I want to position mine to clamp near the fretboard so I can get it out of
the way. I'm sure your design could be made to work. Maybe one "leg" on
either side of the fretboard where it meets the soundhole. I'm also thinking
that, sound wise, since I'll be using it as a second source, I may want to
position it to point toward the guitar at about the 18th/19th fret area. I
think that's where I'll start.
All in all, sounds like a fun afternoon of playing around with the toys!
Thanks again,
Frank Wiewandt
| Folo: Dougie's Soundhole P/U [2] |
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From: Frank Wiewandt <fwphoto@lrbcg...>
Subject: Folo: Dougie's Soundhole P/U
Date: Thu, 24 May 2001 10:42:00 -0400
Organization: Internet Commerce & Communications
Well, I finally had a bit of extra time on my hands to try out my old lav.
mics ala Dougie MacLean. Using a modified Al Sterling design :-) I fashioned
a wire mic holder for my D-18. First I tried a Sony ECS-50PS. It's an
electret condenser lavaliere mic. WOW, feedback city! I added a windscreen,
then worked on the mic placement & my position relative to my monitor.
Finally was able to eliminate the feedback & the mic sounded pretty good.
Switched over to an older (but IMO better) version, the ECM-30. Better sound
quality but same sensitivity to feedback.
BTW - I used Charles Park's tip about using a capo to slack the strings
enough to work inside the soundhole without totally removing them. WAY COOL!
Thanks Mr. Park!
Unfortunately this set-up is far to sensitive to feedback for me to use in a
live setting. I think these mics are omni-patterned. If anyone has a
suggestion about making these mics work live, I'm all ears. They do sound
good. I'll bet this would make a nice set-up for recording though.
Thanks again for all the help & info!
Frank Wiewandt
From: M Musement <mmusement@aol...>
Subject: Re: Folo: Dougie's Soundhole P/U
Date: 24 May 2001 21:21:47 GMT
Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com
Frank,
Use a different mic or EQ or band restrict the mic's signal with andelectronic crossover to shelve the howl freqs.
AUDIOS, Christopher
| Joe Mills mini-mic |
|---|
From: <SPAMNOTdunwell.guitar@dorje...>
Subject: Re: Joe Mills mini-mic
Date: 31 May 2001 19:52:01 GMT
Organization: Dunwell Guitar
In article <<3B166F77.B4C673D5@mednet...>>, <jbarfo@mednet...> writes:
> Any tips or advice on installing a Joe Mills mini-mic in my Larrivee
> D-09? It already is equipped with a Fishman Matrix I and I'm ready to
> run a stereo signal to my Rane AP-13 preamp. Would appreciate advice on
> wiring, mic placement, etc.
>
> Thanks,
>
> Bill
>
try installing with their "super high grade" clip <g> attached to one of the X-braces. Point the mic towards the back and aim the end sort of towards the "bottom corner" of one of the upper bouts. This is a good start position but you will have to dork around to find what works best with your box.
FWIW,
Alan D.
| Tweaking my B-Band New2Frontier |
|---|
From: Hojo2x <hojo2x@aol...>
Subject: Re: Tweaking my B-Band New2Frontier
Date: 08 Jun 2001 02:35:18 GMT
Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com
Bob Dorgan wrote:
>Back on topic:
>Have you found a sweet spot for an internal mic Larry, or do you
>experiment with each guitar?
Well, I'm going to butt in to say, just based on my experience with several of
these rigs, that not only does the sweet spot vary from guitar to guitar, but
from one brand and model of internal microphone to another.
Truthfully, I've found internal microphones to be more irritating than useful
most of the time, particularly in higher volume settings. I think it's useful
to have an attuned ear like Larry obviously has, and also some good outboard
gear, but for those of us who just like to plug and play internal mics are not
necessarily the best choice.
I'm giving the internal mic/pickup combination one more shot with my new, soon
to be completed McAlister concert model six string. That instrument has a
Highlander pickup with a Highlander mic.
I expect to use that with a stereo cord mainly for my Sunday church gig, where
it's a low volume setting and where the room is the same every week. What's
more, I don't have a lot of channels or external microphones to spare on the
church PA board, so it makes sense to run the Highlander through a Baggs Mixpro
and then into one channel.
When I gig out, though, I expect I'll use just the pickup, since I need an
external mic for my dulcimer and most of the other instruments I might lug
along. The way that the Highlander is wired up, it bypasses the mic when you
use a regular cord instead of the stereo cord.
Wade Hampton Miller
| Cheapest of the Cheap pickup / mic [3] |
|---|
From: Tom Loredo <loredo@astro...>
Subject: Re: Cheapest of the Cheap pickup / mic
Date: Wed, 11 Jul 2001 13:32:39 -0400
Organization: Cornell University
Hi Mitch-
Hmm... I don't think there is an all-purpose optimal placement. I may
have just been recommending a couple places to try. A good place
is one recommended in the B-Band installation notes (downloadable
from their web site) and also recommended to me by Chris Grener---
have the mic pointing up toward the soundboard, pretty close to
the top just behind or in front of the bridge plate. According
to Chris, that's where the GLM mic that is part of the Fishman
dual source setup was designed to go. All the press photos show
the mic in the vicinity of the soundhole, but that was just so
potential buyers could see there was a mic, according to
Chris. Unfortunately, that ended up being how many people
installed it, with resulting compromised sound.
Peace,
Tom Loredo
From: MKarlo <mkarlo@aol...>
Subject: Re: Cheapest of the Cheap pickup / mic
Date: 11 Jul 2001 23:10:55 GMT
Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com
Thanks Tom. That's how I installed it too, based on a recommendation. What
has me concerned is the seemingly low output. I have to turn the mic channel
on my Raven unit up to 12:00 to get any significant output. I'll reinstall it
according to Chris' suggestion the next time I change strings and see if that
improves things. I'll report back. Thanks again.
Mitch
>Hi Mitch-
>
>Hmm... I don't think there is an all-purpose optimal placement. I may
>have just been recommending a couple places to try. A good place
>is one recommended in the B-Band installation notes (downloadable
>from their web site) and also recommended to me by Chris Grener---
>have the mic pointing up toward the soundboard, pretty close to
>the top just behind or in front of the bridge plate. According
>to Chris, that's where the GLM mic that is part of the Fishman
>dual source setup was designed to go. All the press photos show
>the mic in the vicinity of the soundhole, but that was just so
>potential buyers could see there was a mic, according to
>Chris. Unfortunately, that ended up being how many people
>installed it, with resulting compromised sound.
>
>Peace,
>Tom Loredo
>
From: Earl <buffaloearl@my-deja...>
Subject: Re: Cheapest of the Cheap pickup / mic
Date: 12 Jul 2001 04:48:23 -0700
Organization: http://groups.google.com/
my placement too for a panasonic condenser (cost $2.64 at Digikey)
similiar to the one LR Baggs uses for their dual source....it's to the
soundhole side of the bridge, under the A and D strings...and it
sounds great - and I'm also running through the Raven - I only end up
having the mic at about 9:00 - P/U is about 12:00, but that is after
going through the fishman preamp....boost the treble on the mic and
cut the bass, and vice versa for the P/U - works for me....
good luck -
Earl
(MKarlo) wrote >...
> Thanks Tom. That's how I installed it too, based on a recommendation. What
> has me concerned is the seemingly low output. I have to turn the mic channel
> on my Raven unit up to 12:00 to get any significant output. I'll reinstall it
> according to Chris' suggestion the next time I change strings and see if that
> improves things. I'll report back. Thanks again.
>
| Keeping a mic positioned on n acoustic! Help! |
|---|
From: hank alrich <walkinay@thegrid...>
Subject: Re: Keeping a mic positioned on n acoustic! Help!
Date: Thu, 30 Aug 2001 14:56:56 -0700
Organization: secret mountain
Shane A. Bushman <<sbushman@gate...>> wrote:
> Okay...theres' got to be a way to mount a mic on the guitar or
> something. It is impossible to keep a certain player from moving all
> over the place while he plays, and in the controll room it literally
> sounds like somebody is moving an eq all around on the sound or
> something! I understand it should be the responsibility of the player
> to maintain his posture relative to the mic, but what if he simply can't
> do it? I want the close mic'd sound....I am trying to avoid pulling the
> mic off, and my only omni mic is the NT-2 which I don't like on this
> guitar.
A-T makes several small condensors at various price points. One of them
has a little bracket that can mount right onto the edge of the
soundhole. A Countryman omni will also work, sometimes even double
sticky taped right to the face of the instrument.
Dougie McClean uses a small condensor hung onto the soundhole with a
little hook thing he bent out of Romex or similar type AC power cable
(like is used inside walls and/or conduit).
AKG makes a bayonet mount and accompanying condesnor on a gooseneck.
You'd have to fasten the mount to the instrument, but this is rock 'n'
roll, ain't it? <g>
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| Eat Dinner First or Don't Use the Internal Microphone |
|---|
From: Troubleman <Troubleman@rocketmail...>
Subject: Eat Dinner First or Don't Use the Internal Microphone
Date: Fri, 14 Sep 2001 07:23:51 -0400
So I was at an open mic night trying to play away the sadness and fear of
the weeks events. I was about to play Martin Simpson's "Lillies of the
Field" as a sort of dedication to those who perished in Washington and New
York, so we had a moment of silence. My latest quest for better fingerstyle
tone (I can get a decent tone, I just can't play worth a crap...) I split
the pickup output of my Taylor 414KCE such that the piezo was going through
a Baggs ParaDI and into the PA mixer, and the microphone output was going
through an ART Mic Preamp before going to the PA mixer. Both signals were
going through a feedback exterminator, which allows me to turn up the
internal mic volume even more - fingerstyle I don't play that loudly yet. I
haven't been feeling much like eating the past few days, so the stomach was
(beer aside) fairly empty. During the moment of silence my stomach began to
rumble (feed me!) loudly. I had my right hand pressed against the strings
and hence the guitar pressed closely against my body. Well guess what came
through the PA loud and clear (with a hint of chorus and a smidge of delay)?
Somehow the sound was captured by the back of my guitar and amplfied by the
guitar's body. Fishman's mic for their onboard blender may do a marginal to
okay job of picking up string dynamics, but it did a wonderful job of
capturing the nuances of my stomach rumbling (techincally "intestinal
rumbling").. There were a couple of titters and snickers in the crowd, and
after I'd done my five songs and sat down, someone had purchased a
cheeseburger for me (how nice). On the bright side it did sort of break what
started out as a somewhat somber mood. On the othe side - how embarrassing !
Of course, as typical, when I asked a couple other folks if that had ever
happened to them? "Uh, no.... only you Jay....."
Peace,
jb
| Dual Source with different mic question [2] |
|---|
From: Unsung96 <unsung96@aol...>
Subject: Dual Source with different mic question
Date: 09 Oct 2001 13:19:15 GMT
Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com
The pre amp on the Baggs Dual Source is EQ'd for the Baggs Mic element,
correct? How does that work if you're using a different mic ie: Joe Mills. Is
it friendly? Anyone.
From: <SPAMNOTdunwell.guitar@dorje...>
Subject: Re: Dual Source with different mic question
Date: 9 Oct 2001 20:33:33 GMT
Organization: Dunwell Guitar
In article <<20011009091915.10981.00002933@mb-ml...>>, <unsung96@aol...> writes:
> The pre amp on the Baggs Dual Source is EQ'd for the Baggs Mic element,
> correct? How does that work if you're using a different mic ie: Joe Mills. Is
> it friendly? Anyone.
Check with Joe at <jgmills@bellsouth...> He probably has all the info you need.
Alan D.
Dunwell Guitar
1891 CR 68-J, MSR
Nederland, Co. 80466
<dunwell.guitar@dorje...>
http://www.peaknet.org/webpages/dunwell/
| Natural 1/Joe Mills -Deep Thoughts By Jack Handey |
|---|
From: MondoSlug4 <mondoslug4@aol...>
Subject: Natural 1/Joe Mills -Deep Thoughts By Jack Handey
Date: 10 Oct 2001 23:02:47 GMT
Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com
Well I went against RMMGA conventional thinking & went ahead and had a Fishman
Natural 1 & Joe Mills mic installed in my Bourgeois Dread. I have a Baggs
Ribbon & Crown Mic in another guitar and although most people say how good it
sounds I've never been knocked out about it - particularly the Ribbon & I'm
convinced the Ribbon screwed with the acoustic tone of another guitar I had it
in. I don't know why I don't do the B-Band thing - they're very popular on this
newsgroup - I guess it's that I don't hear or see any on my travels - maybe I
don't go far enough. I've heard a few Natural 1's in Larrivees & Martins live
with no external EQ except mondo Front Of House stuff and usually thought they
sounded good - better than mine. And in my way of thinking I'm still convinced
that having a hard substance under the saddle is preferrable to something not
as hard despite the fact that the Ribbon is supposed to compress after awhile?
The I-Beam: verdict is still out in this town as far playing with a loud band.
PUTW: as much as I'd like it to work for me it doesn't - not yet anyway.
Got the guitar back & one thing I noticed immediately & this is nothing new to
anybody on this newsgroup - is that the Joe Mills mic sounds really, really
good. Just warmer all the way around and more level than the Crown for sure -
don't have to crank it up on the Raven Labs as much - but besides all that it
really sounds good. Next up the Natural 1.......I understand the quack thing
and I guess I hear it but when I try the Baggs Ribbon through the Raven Labs
Pre - I have to have the mids turned all the way off to have a sound I can live
with - with the Fishman Natural 1 can have the EQ almost flat(on the Raven) -
it's still does the Piezo thing but seems there's more of a variable I can dial
in or out rather than having the highs and mids cut all the way off like I have
to have with the Ribbon - but yeah it's a piezo but it sounds pretty "warm"
compared to the Ribbon with a nice low end(for a piezo?) - the Ribbon might be
a little "clearer" I dunno - a trade off I guess. But with the Joe Mills
combined I think I'll be pretty happy - for today anyway. I haven't gigged with
it yet but coming up very soon several acoustic band type things. I sweated
sticking anything under the saddle in this guitar because it sounds really good
as is & I was just paranoid & anal about screwing with any of the elements. But
I got over it & am really happy that I can now play this thing plugged in when
I have to. One thing for sure if you want an internal mic at all - spend the
coinage and buck up for the Joe Mills.
| Very portable recorders.. |
|---|
From: Riddley <riddley@aol...>
Subject: Re: Very portable recorders..
Date: 09 Nov 2001 14:53:50 GMT
Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com
Look at www.microphonemadness.com for some additional small stereo mini-jack
microphones, they come both on a wire, or just on the jack (i.e. mounted in
essence on your recorder when plugged in).
I have not tried them, but they were highly recommended by Concertina.net.
Gerry Rosser